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Okay, the time has come. My strut mounts have been rattling since I got the van, it's time to replace them. I'm going with quick struts. I have 2 options: Napa sensitrac and napa response. They are both available in complete strut assembly's. There is a price difference of about $40 each (response being the cheaper ones).

I believe that sensitrac is munroe, but I don't know anything about the response ones. They are coined as "economy". I have bought econo parts previously and had no issues. In my mind they are at least as good as was supplied from factory (which is good enough for me).

The only issue in my mind is the "what if" factor. These are costly and I only want to do it once. The sensitracs have better warranty. But is that enough reason to pay the extra $$$? Realistically, the response ones would more than likely last for as long as I own my van.

Does anybody know who manufactures napa response shocks? Can anybody provide a justification for the extra cost? Thoughts, tips, suggestions??
 

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They are all Monroe. I think the low line monroes are the Monroe-matic shocks, which would be the low line NAPA brand.

FWIW, I have had terrible luck with monroe shocks (sensatracks) on 3 cars. Their only line worth anything is the reflex, which they seem to be phasing out anyways. They wore out in 5000 miles on the gto. It floats around like a boat.
 

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I have had better luck with the lower line blue monroematic shocks. I find they have a firmer ride that some wouldn't like. That said I havenet replaced any struts in the last 10 years or so.
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I came in to a 93 Jeep GC with sensatraks and i like the way it road. it was generally smooth on the road but would firm up during body roll. No complaints-- it matched that vehicle well. I've read that the reflex shocks are acceleration-sensing valving, better than velocity-sensing. fyi IIRC the stock struts are KYB.

Suggest a better brand, maybe bilstein? or even another set of kyb's? and carry the removed struts to your local shop and have them swap the springs. they won't charge much... I paid $8 per a few years back. Dont go thru all that labor if you aren't sure of the strut quality.

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KYB now has a strut assembly similar to the Monroe quick-strut for our vans.

Carquest carries them.

When mine get replaced, I am going with the KYB's
 

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I installed a full set of kyb gr2's in a 97' legacy I drove the wheels off of. they were more firm than oem, but also, and you wouldn't expect it, absorbed the big bumps more gracefully. It took them about a couple of months break in-- they were stiff at first.
 

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Okay. I will definitely be replacing with NAPA brand due to pricing (i get employee discount). Also, I do not have an issue with the ride and handling of the oems. I am more concerned about long term reliability. My concern with the premium ones is the may be more complicated construction and therefore more prone to issues.
 

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I've had two sets of Monroe Sensa-Trac struts on my 2001 that is pushing near 180,000 miles and have had no complaints. I ordered my Quick Struts from Amazon for about $126 each and got a $125 mail-in rebate (I also replaced struts on my 2002 Ford Taurs, so I purchased six Quick Strut assemblies total).

Here's my write-up and video showing replacing the struts with Quick Strut assemblies on my 2001 Dodge Caravan Sport http://www.jasonsherrill.com/post/10556118663/how-to-change-struts-on-dodge-caravan-using-monroe

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I had KYBs installed on my 99 AWD.......seemed to be good quality struts
 

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I still have not changed my struts yet ... still waiting.

Big news is MOOG (the suspension people) will be offering complete strut assemblies for the 4th gen vans.

They are not in the pipeline yet, but this another alternative to the Monroe, KYB, & chinese made complete strut assemblies.

They look pretty good. :)

Moog complete strut assembly for our vans is ST8561L & ST8561R

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_Strut_Brochure.pdf

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_PS_Bulletin_311001_Strut01_En.pdf

To look at the one just for the 4th gen look here, and click on the pics:

http://www.fme-cat.com/PartDetailWi...1 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN V6 3.8L 230CID VIN L&t=
 

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stuts torque

:confused:what is the torque spec for the pinch bolts on the struts for a 2005 T/C and also for the sway bar link.any help will be greatly appreciated.
 

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I do the pinch bolts to 100ftlbs and the end links as tight as I can. If the end links aren't super tight, they will eventually shift into a more comfortable position and make noise. This usually happens within a few days after doing the end links.
 

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I still have not changed my struts yet ... still waiting.

Big news is MOOG (the suspension people) will be offering complete strut assemblies for the 4th gen vans.

They are not in the pipeline yet, but this another alternative to the Monroe, KYB, & chinese made complete strut assemblies.

They look pretty good. :)

Moog complete strut assembly for our vans is ST8561L & ST8561R

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_Strut_Brochure.pdf

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_PS_Bulletin_311001_Strut01_En.pdf

To look at the one just for the 4th gen look here, and click on the pics:

http://www.fme-cat.com/PartDetailWi...1 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN V6 3.8L 230CID VIN L&t=
Don't like the spring plates on the top, I have seen them fail with rust and also whats with that stupid sliced tubing around the top of the spring. A good place to trap dirt and salt.
 

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the pic in the brochure is generic, the one in the catalog looks like the specific one:

http://www.fme-cat.com/PartDetailWi...1 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN V6 3.8L 230CID VIN L&t=

I think when the time comes, I will go with KYB.

The vans came with many spring options, and you are limited to one choice when you get the complete unit. So if I want new springs, aftermarket only offers two choices, as opposed to Chrysler's offering of up to 7 different springs when the van's came out.
I am going to go with my original springs or order a set of correct new ones from Chrysler. Each original spring has a tag on it, or if you have the build sheet, it is listed.

I did research the springs a while ago, and there is no rhyme or reason as to why Chrysler used the springs they did for the various models. The springs are 140 lbs per inch.

My 2001 Chrysler uses the following springs:
ZAJP
Spring - Left Front
ZAVP
Spring - Left Rear
ZNFP
Spring - Right Front
ZNVP
Spring - Right Rear
 

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I do the pinch bolts to 100ftlbs and the end links as tight as I can. If the end links aren't super tight, they will eventually shift into a more comfortable position and make noise. This usually happens within a few days after doing the end links.
Andy, Thanks for the reply. It was helpful. Now I'm wondering if I should use the original bolts on the new Monroe Quick Strut assembly unit which has an ovalon hole.
 

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Yes use the factory bolts. The slotted holes allow for some camber adjustment which the original ones do not. You will need to have a good shop do an alignment and let them know that the camber is now adjustable so they can set it right.
 

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I still have not changed my struts yet ... still waiting.

Big news is MOOG (the suspension people) will be offering complete strut assemblies for the 4th gen vans.

They are not in the pipeline yet, but this another alternative to the Monroe, KYB, & chinese made complete strut assemblies.

They look pretty good. :)

Moog complete strut assembly for our vans is ST8561L & ST8561R

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_Strut_Brochure.pdf

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/_pdf/MOOG_PS_Bulletin_311001_Strut01_En.pdf

To look at the one just for the 4th gen look here, and click on the pics:

http://www.fme-cat.com/PartDetailWi...1 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN V6 3.8L 230CID VIN L&t=
they are now available on Rockauto around 190 each
ST8561L
ST8561R
 
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anyone have a pic of what the actual KYB units look like (SR4038/9)? Especially the mount, bearing, bumper and upper spring isolator..
and/or your impression of them if you put a pair on..
thanks
 
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